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		<title>By: Desertbug</title>
		<link>http://ipohecho.com.my/v2/2010/04/20/a-haven%e2%80%a6here-in-ipoh/comment-page-1/#comment-5764</link>
		<dc:creator>Desertbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TLM,

Good for you, mate. If you think you have made a good value investment, then cool.

The limestone hills and the surrounding vegeatation should, at least, remind you that there are nicer pieces of property available around the area. BUT then again, if you choose to live on a square foot of shared land, then share away. Oh and perhaps, the condo structure might perhaps remind you of the surrounding limestone outcrops in the area so that it&#039;s splendour can rub off on your patch in the sky. 

Chiao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TLM,</p>
<p>Good for you, mate. If you think you have made a good value investment, then cool.</p>
<p>The limestone hills and the surrounding vegeatation should, at least, remind you that there are nicer pieces of property available around the area. BUT then again, if you choose to live on a square foot of shared land, then share away. Oh and perhaps, the condo structure might perhaps remind you of the surrounding limestone outcrops in the area so that it&#8217;s splendour can rub off on your patch in the sky. </p>
<p>Chiao.</p>
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		<title>By: TLM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ipoh&#039;s development is backward and slow because of the majority of the pessimistic .... on this page, I looks as though The Haven is working out to be a wonderful place to live work and play, I have bought a unit and I have no regrets, will drop you all a line when it is complete, you will wish you had not made these negative comments, then. All of the negative commentators should take a drive to the site via the new road that leads to the property to see how nice it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ipoh&#8217;s development is backward and slow because of the majority of the pessimistic &#8230;. on this page, I looks as though The Haven is working out to be a wonderful place to live work and play, I have bought a unit and I have no regrets, will drop you all a line when it is complete, you will wish you had not made these negative comments, then. All of the negative commentators should take a drive to the site via the new road that leads to the property to see how nice it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bank holiday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bank holiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Mike:

The problems of high rise building on the London clay basin and the Ipoh limestone are somewhat different.

Piling in a clay basin can create a firm foundation.

Limestone is frequently subject to sub-terranean water erosion.  The extent of this can be seen in the Niah and Mulu cave systems.

Not so long ago, a developer of a low rise building near Tambun found the problems of building on limestone.  Piling work found sub-terranean caverns.  The developer lost men and machinery into those caverns.

The problems of building a high rise building will not be less than those encountered when building low rise developments.

The problem with subtopia is that once started, they tend to sprawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Mike:</p>
<p>The problems of high rise building on the London clay basin and the Ipoh limestone are somewhat different.</p>
<p>Piling in a clay basin can create a firm foundation.</p>
<p>Limestone is frequently subject to sub-terranean water erosion.  The extent of this can be seen in the Niah and Mulu cave systems.</p>
<p>Not so long ago, a developer of a low rise building near Tambun found the problems of building on limestone.  Piling work found sub-terranean caverns.  The developer lost men and machinery into those caverns.</p>
<p>The problems of building a high rise building will not be less than those encountered when building low rise developments.</p>
<p>The problem with subtopia is that once started, they tend to sprawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Nantha Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nantha Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 05:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...! I heard abt this project....they are the superb developer...! my first property was from them...! Subang Galaksi (really my dream home) excellent finishing...! keep up the good work Mr Peter....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;! I heard abt this project&#8230;.they are the superb developer&#8230;! my first property was from them&#8230;! Subang Galaksi (really my dream home) excellent finishing&#8230;! keep up the good work Mr Peter&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>By: christkw</title>
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		<dc:creator>christkw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magnificent, superb architecture, best building design in Ipoh from what I see now.The natural environment around really blends this. The developer should attract those &#039;retired&#039; Japanese over here, sure they like this kind of &#039;homes&#039;.
Sayorana...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnificent, superb architecture, best building design in Ipoh from what I see now.The natural environment around really blends this. The developer should attract those &#8216;retired&#8217; Japanese over here, sure they like this kind of &#8216;homes&#8217;.<br />
Sayorana&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Noh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Noh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear sweet innocent Mike,

Either you are new to this country or are very naïve. 

You really have no clue have you? 

Millions have been generated by all sorts of projects in the past and Ipohites know where it all ends up........Not in our schools, hospitals, roads or rural development. 

Otherwise, all our tin money, and you should know that Perak was one of the richest if not THE richest state in Malaysia, would be awash with state of the art hospitals, schools and other infrastructure.

Tut, tut.....the Haven is no bold development. So, don&#039;t let others pull the wool over your eyes.

It will benefit only a few people and line a few more &#039;critical&#039; pockets. ANd it will crucify Ipoh. 

Tell me, how many Ipohites have signed on for these condominiums, if it was within their price range?

ANd who is the workforce in the construction - not Ipohites - but mostly Indonesians.

ANd in the sixties I did a university degree in town planning and urban studies in UK and was attached to Westminster CIty Council. 

Sorry to disappoint you Mikey, but there is a height restriction....maybe not in the City (the square mile0 but yes, in general. Otherwise, why is London and its environs not another New York with skyscrapers here and there and everywhere?

Construction in Malaysia has little to do with development and improving the lives of the people, but more to do with making profits, self-gain and knowing the right people to &#039;facilitate&#039; matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear sweet innocent Mike,</p>
<p>Either you are new to this country or are very naïve. </p>
<p>You really have no clue have you? </p>
<p>Millions have been generated by all sorts of projects in the past and Ipohites know where it all ends up&#8230;&#8230;..Not in our schools, hospitals, roads or rural development. </p>
<p>Otherwise, all our tin money, and you should know that Perak was one of the richest if not THE richest state in Malaysia, would be awash with state of the art hospitals, schools and other infrastructure.</p>
<p>Tut, tut&#8230;..the Haven is no bold development. So, don&#8217;t let others pull the wool over your eyes.</p>
<p>It will benefit only a few people and line a few more &#8216;critical&#8217; pockets. ANd it will crucify Ipoh. </p>
<p>Tell me, how many Ipohites have signed on for these condominiums, if it was within their price range?</p>
<p>ANd who is the workforce in the construction &#8211; not Ipohites &#8211; but mostly Indonesians.</p>
<p>ANd in the sixties I did a university degree in town planning and urban studies in UK and was attached to Westminster CIty Council. </p>
<p>Sorry to disappoint you Mikey, but there is a height restriction&#8230;.maybe not in the City (the square mile0 but yes, in general. Otherwise, why is London and its environs not another New York with skyscrapers here and there and everywhere?</p>
<p>Construction in Malaysia has little to do with development and improving the lives of the people, but more to do with making profits, self-gain and knowing the right people to &#8216;facilitate&#8217; matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mariam, London and other cities have height restrictions due to the earth below. For example Docklands was the only area with the right ground to take the deep excavation and piling. (apart from the 26 story Gerkin). It is not due to government wanting to restrict height to keep the place looking nice. Countries are economies that have to generate income and turnover to survive in a very competitive world. Take &#039;The Haven&#039; for example. that&#039;s a 230 million project paying a 28% tax to the government..... That tax will go into better roads, hospitals, police, Schools and other public services. 
It will bring more people to your area creating the need for more shops etc and will thus create more jobs.... will you be complaining about that too? 
You have to move with the times, The Heaven is a bold development that is trying to bring wealth to the area.. Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariam, London and other cities have height restrictions due to the earth below. For example Docklands was the only area with the right ground to take the deep excavation and piling. (apart from the 26 story Gerkin). It is not due to government wanting to restrict height to keep the place looking nice. Countries are economies that have to generate income and turnover to survive in a very competitive world. Take &#8216;The Haven&#8217; for example. that&#8217;s a 230 million project paying a 28% tax to the government&#8230;.. That tax will go into better roads, hospitals, police, Schools and other public services.<br />
It will bring more people to your area creating the need for more shops etc and will thus create more jobs&#8230;. will you be complaining about that too?<br />
You have to move with the times, The Heaven is a bold development that is trying to bring wealth to the area.. Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: David Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Malaysian company genuinely adopts corporate governance in the spirit in which these guidelines were drawn up. Don&#039;t talk about property developers! Malaysian culture presently does not support ethical behaviour. There is no doubt that if proper environmental and social impacts were done, the project should not be approved.

Based on market needs, Ipoh cannot even justify a new condo in town let alone outside town. Based on these, I did not even bother to read their hyped-up ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Malaysian company genuinely adopts corporate governance in the spirit in which these guidelines were drawn up. Don&#8217;t talk about property developers! Malaysian culture presently does not support ethical behaviour. There is no doubt that if proper environmental and social impacts were done, the project should not be approved.</p>
<p>Based on market needs, Ipoh cannot even justify a new condo in town let alone outside town. Based on these, I did not even bother to read their hyped-up ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why so much complaint. Do it really destroy the natural when three tower of condominum build over there ??? It might or might not. A piece of land without development and leave empty with grass instead. That what you want for your grand children ? How about the green and refreshing scene ... Do anybody go there when it leave empty ? Do you guarantee that the good scene will destroy and your grand children cannot see it when this tower is build ? I do believe the surronding area will look needly in term of green and refereshing. 26 storey ... so what ... Don compare with eastern, western, northern or southern of the world. It do really a mistake to 100% duplicate their success into Malaysia. We copy then paste, then how success we are. when the time we paste it in malaysia then their make improvement to their work, then how do we going to success. Your comment totally lack of balancing methology calculation which I said totally outdated. 

Note : 
No doubt it your comment will do make some consideration but if we put into the balancing calculation, this project is great and brave. Great because it create an living choice for local nor investor. Brave because of go into a limitation market segmentation. The concern is how far the project can go and what will the buyer do after the purchase..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so much complaint. Do it really destroy the natural when three tower of condominum build over there ??? It might or might not. A piece of land without development and leave empty with grass instead. That what you want for your grand children ? How about the green and refreshing scene &#8230; Do anybody go there when it leave empty ? Do you guarantee that the good scene will destroy and your grand children cannot see it when this tower is build ? I do believe the surronding area will look needly in term of green and refereshing. 26 storey &#8230; so what &#8230; Don compare with eastern, western, northern or southern of the world. It do really a mistake to 100% duplicate their success into Malaysia. We copy then paste, then how success we are. when the time we paste it in malaysia then their make improvement to their work, then how do we going to success. Your comment totally lack of balancing methology calculation which I said totally outdated. </p>
<p>Note :<br />
No doubt it your comment will do make some consideration but if we put into the balancing calculation, this project is great and brave. Great because it create an living choice for local nor investor. Brave because of go into a limitation market segmentation. The concern is how far the project can go and what will the buyer do after the purchase..</p>
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		<title>By: fleabitten camel</title>
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		<dc:creator>fleabitten camel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did this get approved in the first place?

There has to be chnage in the mindset of the Ipohites that it is not necessary to have these towers to stir up the dour economy of Ipoh. What we could do with is more thought on preservation than anything in concrete and steel. 

Concrete and steel structures can be found in a far suprior combination in Rome, NY and London. So Ipoh, please re-think - want to challenge these places, then stick to what history has already left in place and enhance it with natural structural building materials. Ipoh has an abundance of nature and please transfuse our developments with what nature has provided. Step away from attempting have buildings like in Shanghai, Manhattan, Hong Kong - let&#039;s have our own &quot;brand&quot;.

“You’ll be close to nature and yet a shout away from city amenities. No other city in the world can offer such a package”, he stressed. Therefore, the project has been labelled as the “Pride of Ipoh, Envy of the Nation.” - yes with a hundred other families and 3 humungous towering blocks of concrete ! Some may love this - not for me !  I say Nay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did this get approved in the first place?</p>
<p>There has to be chnage in the mindset of the Ipohites that it is not necessary to have these towers to stir up the dour economy of Ipoh. What we could do with is more thought on preservation than anything in concrete and steel. </p>
<p>Concrete and steel structures can be found in a far suprior combination in Rome, NY and London. So Ipoh, please re-think &#8211; want to challenge these places, then stick to what history has already left in place and enhance it with natural structural building materials. Ipoh has an abundance of nature and please transfuse our developments with what nature has provided. Step away from attempting have buildings like in Shanghai, Manhattan, Hong Kong &#8211; let&#8217;s have our own &#8220;brand&#8221;.</p>
<p>“You’ll be close to nature and yet a shout away from city amenities. No other city in the world can offer such a package”, he stressed. Therefore, the project has been labelled as the “Pride of Ipoh, Envy of the Nation.” &#8211; yes with a hundred other families and 3 humungous towering blocks of concrete ! Some may love this &#8211; not for me !  I say Nay.</p>
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